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Postby rscvideos » Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:06 pm

Hey so I've noticed quite often I'm checking the river out even if I'm pretty sure I have the best hand at that point. Am I missing out on good money in these hands???

Seat 1: pimpxxxdaddy420 ($55.50)
Seat 2: buffie265 ($30)
Seat 3: anuchits ($167.75)
Seat 4: guppy03 ($46.25)
Seat 5: ZapK ($104.50)
Seat 6: Hedgehog1 ($124.50)
Seat 7: ja33 ($58.75)
Seat 8: LadyK77 ($59)
Seat 9: MaitreSteph ($9.25)
ZapK posts the small blind of $0.50
Hedgehog1 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pimpxxxdaddy420 [5s 5c]
buffie265: lol
ja33 folds
LadyK77 folds
MaitreSteph folds
pimpxxxdaddy420 raises to $2
buffie265 has 15 seconds left to act
pimpxxxdaddy420: saw taht one coming
buffie265 folds
anuchits folds
guppy03 calls $2
ZapK calls $1.50
Hedgehog1 calls $1
*** FLOP *** [Qh 4d 5h]
ZapK checks
Hedgehog1 bets $1
pimpxxxdaddy420 raises to $2
guppy03 folds
ZapK calls $2
Hedgehog1 calls $1
*** TURN *** [Qh 4d 5h] [3h]
ZapK checks
Hedgehog1 checks
pimpxxxdaddy420 bets $2
ZapK calls $2
Hedgehog1 calls $2
*** RIVER *** [Qh 4d 5h 3h] [9d]
ZapK checks
Hedgehog1 checks
pimpxxxdaddy420 checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pimpxxxdaddy420 shows [5s 5c] three of a kind, Fives
ZapK mucks
Hedgehog1 mucks
pimpxxxdaddy420 wins the pot ($19) with three of a kind, Fives
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20 | Rake $1
Board: [Qh 4d 5h 3h 9d]
Seat 1: pimpxxxdaddy420 showed [5s 5c] and won ($19) with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 2: buffie265 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: anuchits didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: guppy03 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: ZapK (small blind) mucked [Qc Jc] - a pair of Queens
Seat 6: Hedgehog1 (big blind) mucked [Qs 7d] - a pair of Queens
Seat 7: ja33 didn't bet (folded)


Seat 1: pimpxxxdaddy420 ($68.50)
Seat 2: buffie265 ($30)
Seat 3: anuchits ($167.75)
Seat 4: guppy03 ($44.25)
Seat 5: ZapK ($98.50)
Seat 6: Hedgehog1 ($118)
Seat 7: ja33 ($55.75)
Seat 8: LadyK77 ($62.25)
Seat 9: MaitreSteph ($9.25)
ja33 posts the small blind of $0.50
LadyK77 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pimpxxxdaddy420 [Kc Ac]
MaitreSteph folds
pimpxxxdaddy420 raises to $2
buffie265 folds
anuchits folds
guppy03 folds
ZapK raises to $3
Hedgehog1 folds
ja33 folds
LadyK77 folds
pimpxxxdaddy420 raises to $4
ZapK calls $1
*** FLOP *** [9h Kd 8s]
pimpxxxdaddy420 bets $1
ZapK calls $1
*** TURN *** [9h Kd 8s] [6c]
pimpxxxdaddy420 bets $2
ZapK calls $2
*** RIVER *** [9h Kd 8s 6c] [Ts]
pimpxxxdaddy420 checks
ZapK checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pimpxxxdaddy420 shows [Kc Ac] a pair of Kings
ZapK mucks
pimpxxxdaddy420 wins the pot ($14.75) with a pair of Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $15.50 | Rake $0.75
Board: [9h Kd 8s 6c Ts]
Seat 1: pimpxxxdaddy420 showed [Kc Ac] and won ($14.75) with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: buffie265 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: anuchits didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: guppy03 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: ZapK mucked [Qc Qh] - a pair of Queens
Seat 6: Hedgehog1 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: ja33 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: LadyK77 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: MaitreSteph didn't bet (folded)

The second hand I was OOP so I'm not sure that was too bad of a check with the board the way it was. But on the first hand I get checked to and still just check it down. I get the feeling like that was a mistake....
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Postby Danhdan » Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:28 pm

Actually, I really can't argue with what you did on either hand...maybe you could have some value town in Hand #2 if your read on opponent is he will only have JJ+, AK, KQ when he 3-bets. Hand #1 against two opponents...ugly spot. Unless my read is big donks as my opponents, I think checking is best.
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Postby AT » Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:42 pm

Hand 1: Unless I'm given reason to believe otherwise, I believe I'm ahead the entire hand. I am absolutely betting this river. Given the action, you are getting a raise from a made flush on the turn. The river card is a good one, so there is no reason to get weak at this point. You played the hand strongly throughout; time to keep it up. Bet and call a raise.

Hand 2: I would generally check here and call a bet, but I don't think firing is a bad play.
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Postby Ichoi » Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:25 pm

I bet the first hand 100% of the time and am fistpumping big time. Only a very tricky/fps player would dare check/call check/raise a flush in a 3 way pot. You might run into a 67 once in a while but not enough to check behind.

The 2nd hand I'd be more scared if he didn't 3 bet preflop. What's he 3 betting?

Ok, so 77 and TT got there on the river if he would even 3 bet 77. Everything else had you beat already. I value bet and expect to get called by worse.
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Postby growlers » Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:20 am

I bet both of these every time.
As said, hand 2 is more borderline. Hand 1 you have to bet.
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Postby rscvideos » Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:07 am

OKay how about this hand. Villian is a pretty loose player who i've seen raise up and call down with bottom pair no kicker on multiple occaions. i just can't believe i didn't put one more bet into this one on the river here...

Seat 1: Matt NYPC ($13.50), is sitting out
Seat 2: ManiacDestroyer ($275.50)
Seat 3: pimpxxxdaddy420 ($39)
Seat 4: Tiasho ($63.50)
Seat 5: SUPPERFISH ($87)
Seat 6: Anomander83 ($55.25)
Seat 7: lmvegas ($48.25)
Seat 8: rwilson30 ($49.25)
Seat 9: taperx ($15.50)
rwilson30 posts the small blind of $0.50
taperx posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pimpxxxdaddy420 [Ad Qd]
ManiacDestroyer calls $1
pimpxxxdaddy420 raises to $2
Tiasho folds
SUPPERFISH folds
Anomander83 folds
lmvegas folds
rwilson30 folds
taperx calls $1
ManiacDestroyer calls $1
*** FLOP *** [8h 2h Qc]
taperx checks
ManiacDestroyer checks
pimpxxxdaddy420 bets $1
taperx folds
ManiacDestroyer calls $1
*** TURN *** [8h 2h Qc] [5h]
ManiacDestroyer bets $2
pimpxxxdaddy420 calls $2
*** RIVER *** [8h 2h Qc 5h] [Js]
ManiacDestroyer checks
pimpxxxdaddy420 checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ManiacDestroyer shows [Th Kd] King Queen high
pimpxxxdaddy420 shows [Ad Qd] a pair of Queens
pimpxxxdaddy420 wins the pot ($12) with a pair of Queens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12.50 | Rake $0.50
Board: [8h 2h Qc 5h Js]
Seat 1: Matt NYPC is sitting out
Seat 2: ManiacDestroyer showed [Th Kd] and lost with King Queen high
Seat 3: pimpxxxdaddy420 showed [Ad Qd] and won ($12) with a pair of Queens
Seat 4: Tiasho didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: SUPPERFISH didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Anomander83 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: lmvegas (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: rwilson30 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: taperx (big blind) folded on the Flop
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